[Xmca-l] Re: The Learning Sciences in the era of U.S. Nationalism
Helena Worthen
helenaworthen@gmail.com
Mon Jan 23 10:39:39 PST 2017
I read the paragraph Mike cites as part of the statement of the problem, not part of the plan to move forward. I read: “We are a grossly unequal society both in terms of economics and justice; therefore we need to learn about our various unequal selves.” I want the “therefore we need to learn about” part to center around economics and justice because those are things you can do something about.
I will check the article again and see if I misunderstood how it fits in.
Note that Bernie’s campaign focused on economics (way more than Trump). But his campaign fell behind on the issues of racism. As the months passed he reached more and more of the African American community, but never got far enough.
That’s how hard it is. These are bound together — economics, justice, our profoundly racist society. It’s not just a problem in our discussion. We’re reflecting what’s actually out there.
Helena
Helena Worthen
helenaworthen@gmail.com
Berkeley, CA 94707
Blog about US and Viet Nam: helenaworthen.wordpress.com
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:36 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> There are big problems reading one paragraph and neglecting to read the
> rest,
> Andy. You negelected this one, among others in your rush to irony.
>
> *From a liberal perspective, the anti-immigrant and anti-poor rhetoric in
> Trump’s campaign appears to be an about-face from eight progressive years
> under the last administration. But these political turns are not so
> straightforward. In recent years for example, the Obama administration’s
> deportation of over 2.5 million undocumented children and families
> (Iaconangelo, 2016), from Central America and Mexico in particular,
> displayed our nation’s refusal to understand immigration in light of a
> troubling legacy of U.S. military and political-economic intervention in
> these countries. Economic policies that favor the wealthy have led to
> drastic inequalities over the past few decades where a mere 20 Americans
> have more financial assets than the bottom half of the country—157 million
> people—combined (Collins & Hoxie, 2015). The classism of incarceration was
> unmasked as the Department of Justice failed to prosecute the Wall Street
> architects of the Great Recession (Cohan, 2015), but federal prisons were
> expanded to accommodate disproportionately low-income, non-violent
> offenders (Rabuy & Kopf, 2015).*
>
> How about nurturing such discussion instead of dismissing it out of hand
> that way? You have a better set of ideas, put them out there on this
> thread. That is what this thread/xmca are for. It is not for reaching snap
> judgments and squelching discussion.
>
> mike
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
>> One paragraph from the article on Learning Sciences and US Nationalism:
>>
>> Our scholarship has the potential to be a form of
>> transformative resistance against the most
>> significant political threats to our democracy today
>> by explicitly defending and furthering the rights
>> and well-being of people of color, immigrants,
>> Muslims, women, people who are differently abled,
>> LGBTQ communities, and the earth.
>>
>> So I take this to mean that the authors think that the fact that
>> inequality has reached a point where 2 individuals own as much wealth as
>> the poorest 50% of the world's population and 26 individuals own half of
>> the world's wealth is a non-issue. That the de-industrialisation of US
>> cities is a matter of no importance. To use one of the catchphrases of the
>> election, they are "doubling down" on the claim that inequality is a matter
>> of cultural prejudice and if only we were all much more careful in our use
>> of language and showed respect for cultural differences, then we can safely
>> leave the world in the hands of Walmart and Exxon.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Andy Blunden
>> http://home.mira.net/~andy
>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>> On 23/01/2017 8:01 AM, mike cole wrote:
>>
>>> Helena et al --
>>>
>>> An important emphasis in the article for me was on the fact that although
>>> the article focused on the American nationalist movement that has just
>>> pulled of an alt-right coup, similar movements are poised to take hold in
>>> a
>>> lot of places in Europe to join the many already entrenched unsavory
>>> governments in other parts of the world.
>>>
>>> The CRADLE center in Helsinki is under very concerted attack and the right
>>> wing government appears, from this distance, to be making great progress
>>> on
>>> destroying its legacy. The same process has been in Denmark for some time,
>>> also with apparent success.
>>>
>>> What do our international colleagues who have already felt the hot breath
>>> of right wing nationalism have to offer in terms of strategies of
>>> resistence?
>>>
>>> Back to "what is to be done," that sombre question from an earlier era.
>>> The
>>> answer last time did not produce what it promised.
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Alfredo - I gave it a read.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, of course they’re right. But I am very disappointed.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping that the following was only item #1 in a long list of "what
>>>> the 2016 election made apparent":
>>>>
>>>> The 2016 election has made apparent the need for scholarship that
>>>> explicitly defends and furthers the rights and well-being of people of
>>>> color, immigrants, Muslims, women, people who are differently abled,
>>>> LGBTQ
>>>> communities, and the earth. These are stances that have been limited, at
>>>> least explicitly, in the Learning Sciences.
>>>>
>>>> But the call for inclusion was not just #1, it seems to be the whole
>>>> thing. In other words, it’s all about identity —plus the earth, of
>>>> course.
>>>> While inclusion is necessary, it’s not even a start. Yes, research,
>>>> teaching, publishing, promotion, conferences — everything associated with
>>>> teaching and learning has to include everyone as equals (see Andy’s book)
>>>> in one way or another — but then what? What are they (we) supposed to do?
>>>> Where does the pretty language touch the ground?
>>>>
>>>> I was listening to a broadcast of the Women’s March in DC on Saturday
>>>> morning, and Kamala Harris, who was the California State Attorney General
>>>> and is now a junior Senator from CA, was addressing the rally. She said,
>>>> “People always ask me to talk about women’s issues. I say, ‘Oh, I’m SO
>>>> glad
>>>> you’re interested in economics!! Let’s talk about economics.” And she
>>>> ran
>>>> through a whole set of parallel back-and-forths, always pulling identity
>>>> questions back to wages, jobs, earning, supporting your family, etc etc.
>>>>
>>>> Much as we need to wipe away any barriers to the Learning Sciences (and
>>>> the professions and institutions dedicated to them) due to identity,
>>>> until
>>>> the Learning Sciences start taking a look at the place where most people
>>>> spend most of their lives — not school, I mean — but work, they will be
>>>> engaging in a soft conversation at the edge of the real issue. It’s a
>>>> pleasant conversation but it doesn’t put a hand on the levers that
>>>> translate skill and knowledge into rent and groceries.
>>>>
>>>> H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Helena Worthen
>>>> helenaworthen@gmail.com
>>>> Berkeley, CA 94707
>>>> Blog about US and Viet Nam: helenaworthen.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here it is,
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cognitionandinstruction.com/engagements-the-learning-
>>>>>
>>>> sciences-in-a-new-era-of-u-s-nationalism/
>>>>
>>>>> Alfredo
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>
>>>> on behalf of Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent: 22 January 2017 20:24
>>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: The Learning Sciences in the era of U.S.
>>>>>
>>>> Nationalism
>>>>
>>>>> Someone please re-send the link to this article? I think I’m going to
>>>>>
>>>> want to read it and respond to Mike’s question.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks — H
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Helena Worthen
>>>>> helenaworthen@gmail.com
>>>>> Berkeley, CA 94707
>>>>> Blog about US and Viet Nam: helenaworthen.wordpress.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 12:25 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks a lot for sharing this article. You and Michael, who have and
>>>>>>
>>>>> know more history, have spoken in terms of reminiscences. I have lived
>>>> and
>>>> know less, and the article feels like fresh air. During my PhD, I begun
>>>> to
>>>> increasingly feel that I had to due something to act and respond to the
>>>> increasing ecological and humanitarian globe crises. But how could I do
>>>> anything if I had children and a PhD to finalise?? What could I do that
>>>> would also be doing my job as researcher in a department of education? It
>>>> was very difficult to find anything, partly because almost every academic
>>>> quest would focus on learning, but so little on social development. How
>>>> many scientific articles are dedicated to socio-political questions in
>>>> the
>>>> most cited educational journals? I felt very powerless.
>>>>
>>>>> To be able to address these questions within my expertise, is a
>>>>>>
>>>>> challenge partly because contrary to Dewey's hope, educational research
>>>> has
>>>> only marginally focused on these questions, and yet they may be exactly
>>>> the
>>>> question that matter to education. What are we educating for? Indeed,
>>>> what
>>>> is education for? I think we face a serious problem when someone (like
>>>> myself), being an educational researchers/scholar, still has to scratch
>>>> her
>>>> head wondering <<how can I make my profession matter to social change and
>>>> development?>> Vygotsky would be shocked!
>>>>
>>>>> Alfredo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> on behalf of mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent: 19 January 2017 04:51
>>>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: The Learning Sciences in the era of U.S.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nationalism
>>>>
>>>>> Yes Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It feels like the world of the later 1930's about the time I was born
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> that period came down to me through the prism of a family of "premature
>>>>>> anti fascists."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a great re-creation of those times see the highly ambivalent film
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Frank Capra, "meet John Doe." It has American big capital
>>>>>> interconnected
>>>>>> with fascism combined with populist collectivism in a manner that
>>>>>>
>>>>> points at
>>>>
>>>>> the media (as then experienced) as the bad guys in disguise. Happy
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ending,
>>>>
>>>>> Beethoven Ode to Joy and all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's come round again, nastier this time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 6:20 PM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was so interesting to read this note after reading the Cognition
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Instruction essay. All the way through it I kept thinking we have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> here before. It reminded me of the scholars, especially those who had
>>>>>>> escaped from Germany, trying to make sense of what had happened to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> their
>>>>
>>>>> society during World War II. The foremost in my mind was Lewin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except I
>>>>
>>>>> wonder if he would say the process of transformative action starts not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>> emergence of quasi-needs, but our willingness and abilities to step
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> back
>>>>
>>>>> from our quasi-needs and the ways that they drive us, often to
>>>>>>> dysfunctional behaviors that it ultimately destructive to both our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> society
>>>>
>>>>> and to us as individuals. How hard this is to do, we have to keep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> going
>>>>
>>>>> back again and again. The quasi-needs, tribalism, acceptance,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> standing are
>>>>
>>>>> always there. It is how they shape us that is critical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>>>>>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:31 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] The Learning Sciences in the era of U.S. Nationalism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In following the perezhivanie thread I encountered the note I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> re-membered.
>>>>
>>>>> And interestingly mis-remembered. A translation into my focus on
>>>>>>> mediational means. He places the starting point of the process of
>>>>>>> transformative action at the emergence of quasi-needs (from Kurt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lewin).
>>>>
>>>>> That seems correct to me. The new mediational means emerge under
>>>>>>> environmental presses. Ever functionalist ego need a goal(!). (The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> problem
>>>>
>>>>> with functionalism) In David's words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the place we should look for "exaptations" that can save both
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> our
>>>>
>>>>> personalities and our environment is not in our evolved needs, but in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> yet
>>>>
>>>>> to be designed quasi-needs. Artificial organs, after all, always
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> suggest
>>>>
>>>>> new and ever more artificial functions, like chess and language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This point seems worth keeping in mind as we look at where this group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> critical scholars who work within the Learning Sciences disciplinary
>>>>>>> framework would like to lead us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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