[Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis ... and TRUMP'S speech!

Sat Feb 4 22:49:05 PST 2017

Henry, 

I guess for the cartoon to be about apophansis, Trump's speech would have to present itself to Trump's supporters as two opposed things *simultaneously*, but then perhaps this no longer would be *genuine* speech, in the sense Heidegger's treatment of Aristotle suggests. Trump's speech would be rather *deceiving,* i.e., "putting something in front of something else ... and thereby passing it off *as* something it is *not*". 

Cognitive dissonance seems to  imply there is some processing between the said (logos) and its showing of itself *as* something, which would not fit well Heidegger... In any case, as the cartoon nicely illustrates, Trumps' supporters may be having a hard time too, it can't be easy. 

Alfredo

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When you have a question about a concept, look up where it is defined.
Michael

Heidegger, 1996, pp. 28–29
Rather, logos as speech really means *deloun*, to make manifest "what
is being talked about" in speech. Aristotle explicates this function of
speech more precisely as *apophainesthai*. Logos lets something be seen
(*phainesthai*), namely what is being talked about, and indeed for the
speaker (who serves as the medium) or for those who speak with each
other. Speech "lets us see," from itself, *apo*. . . , what is being talked
about. In speech (*apophansis*), insofar as it is genuine, what is said
should
be derived from what is being talked about. In this way spoken commu-
nication, in what it says, makes manifest what it is talking about and
thus makes it accessible to another. Such is the structure of logos as
apophansis.
Not every "speech" suits *this* mode of making manifest, in the
sense of letting something be seen by indicating it. For example, requesting
(*euche*) also makes something manifest, but in a different way.

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On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:50 PM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alfredo,
> Would the attached link be an example of apophasis? I hope the link gets
> you the cartoon from Daily Kos on Feb 1, which illustrates the "cognitive
> dissonance of Trump supporters”.
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/1/1628099/-
> Cartoon-Trump-supporters-cognitive-dissonance?detail=
> email&link_id=15&can_id=d9825820685b26308482b9b5c5bb09
> 5d&source=email-trump-reportedly-tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-
> womentwitter-says-fun&email_referrer=trump-reportedly-
> tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-womentwitter-says-
> fun___162460&email_subject=news-organizations-and-
> festivities-begin-pulling-out-of-annual-correspondents-dinner-with-trump <
> http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/1/1628099/-
> Cartoon-Trump-supporters-cognitive-dissonance?detail=
> email&link_id=15&can_id=d9825820685b26308482b9b5c5bb09
> 5d&source=email-trump-reportedly-tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-
> womentwitter-says-fun&email_referrer=trump-reportedly-
> tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-womentwitter-says-
> fun___162460&email_subject=news-organizations-and-
> festivities-begin-pulling-out-of-annual-correspondents-dinner-with-trump>
>
> Henry
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> wrote:
> >
> > Larry,
> > I am familiar with the term apophantic (the auto-spelling keeps
> correcting the term to "hipophatic" which is the term you use) as it
> appears in Heidegger. Not sure now about the connection with Vygotsky that
> you are after; it seems quite of a complex thread to weave across, at least
> in the xmca format.
> >
> > But!, since I wanted to make sure we were using the same term, I did
> google it and, guess what I found? An example of apophasis as used by
> TRUMP!:
> >
> > In 2015, Trump said of fellow Republican presidential candidate and
> former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, "I promised I would not say that
> she ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground, that she laid off tens of
> thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say it,
> so I will not say it."In 2016, he tweeted of journalist Megyn Kelly, “I
> refuse to call [her] a bimbo, because that would not be politically
> correct."
> >
> > Here is the link to the full article from the Huffington post:
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rhetorical-device_us_
> 56c358cbe4b0c3c55052b32b
> >
> > Alfredo
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of lpscholar2@gmail.com <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 02 February 2017 18:15
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l]  Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis
> >
> > Beth and Monica explore the phenomena occurring in playworlds generating
> perezhivanie.
> >
> > Playworlds are performance worlds and these worlds may be exploring the
> relation of ‘unity’ and ‘difference’.
> >
> > Another term that may have relevance when Beth and Monica refer to
> negating the negation is the operation of ‘apophasis’.
> >  William Frank (On What Cannot Be Said) describes the apophatic :
> >
> > *In apophasis, which empties language of all positive content, absolute
> difference cannot be distinguished from absolute unity, even though the
> respective discourses of difference and unity nominally stand at the
> antipodes. BOTH configurations, unity and difference, are exposed as
> relatively arbitrary and, in the end, equally inadequate schemas for
> articulating what cannot be said. (Franke)
> >
> > Claire Chambers in her book (Performance Studies and Negative
> Epistemology) comments on the above Franke citation :
> >
> > *If unity and difference cannot be distinguished from one another (we
> cannot KNOW what makes them distinct), then it is impossible to determine
> what either ‘is’ – meaning that knowing and being, epistemology and
> ontology, are also impossible to distinguish from one another.(Claire
> Chambers Chapter 1)
> >
> > I am not sure how far to go with this theme of : Negating the negation?
> > I hear this theme in playworlds.
> >
> > If this seems relevant, i can post the first chapter of Claire Chambers
> book. I will just mention that Vygotsky’s Judaic childhood and adolescence
> would have encountered this apophatic ‘tradition’.
> > Enough for one probe or possible pivot?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> >
>
>