[Xmca-l] Отв: Re: Vygotsky and Feurebach by Peter Keiler

[Alexandre Sourmava]

Point taken! The issue with distinctions between Feuerbach and Marx is crucial. Surely Feuerbach as materialist has to do nothing else but apply to Spinoza. But his interpretation of basic Spinozian ideas and Marx's interpretation of Spinozism are strictly opposite. Feuerbach was consistent sensualist, while Marx standed on idea of activity. Real bodily activity. Feuerbach was psychologist whereas in contrast Marx was antipsychologist, but activist.
It looks like Vygotsky in his early soviet situation tried to base on Feuerbach's ideas indeed. And just that led him to the dead end of his semiotics. To put this another way we can say that Feuerbach as sensualist paved the way to positivism and relativism both in philosophy and psychology.In fact Ilyenkov was the first after Marx thinker, who presented basically activist, non sensealist interpretation of Spinozism and Marxism. This idea was so much big that iven EVI hemself did not fulfil it's reachness.
I mean that the idea that psyche, thinking or consciousness are basically the process of acting of a corporeal subject according to the shape of his object, or in terms of Ilyenkov/Spinoza the mode of acting of the thinking body. On the contrary, Feuerbach is the father of leading to dead end idea that thinking is functioning of human brains and the bridge from the narrow space of human's head to external world is such a magic entity as (passive) sensation.

Sasha 

    суббота, 5 августа 2017 5:57 Wolff-Michael Roth <wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> писал(а):
 

 Mike, Peter provides some references that allow many to link Feuerbach
references in Vygotsky to the original sources---I have some of the works
published in the early 1800s, where the quotations Peter takes can be found
(like vol. 2 of Collected Works).

Peter does not write about what Marx took up from Feuerbach, and which he
rejected (in the Theses on Feuerbach).

Of relevance to the recent discussion on Spinoza. Feuerbach was well-read
on Spinoza and published and taught Spinoza.

To me the way Vygotsky applies the thing possible for two that is
impossible for one, applied to the word, in the way Marx applied it to the
commodity, appears to be a significant idea. It is significant because it
runs against the constructivist strain in our community, which begins with
the idea that 'meaning' is personal (people haven't been reading Mead
either).

Michael


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On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:02 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> XMC-ites
>
> Attached in English, Russian, and German is an articles by Peter Keiler
> about Vygotsky and Feuerbach that I am sure a number of you will be
> interested in. Most of us know Feuerbach from his famous theses and no
> more. Peter opens up a great many aspects of Feuerbach's writings that are
> echoed in various ways throughout Vygotsky's writings and links them to the
> political/social/ideological/ context of the shifting times.
>
> Thanks Peter.
> mike
>