[Xmca-l] Re: Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky

Tue Apr 11 13:39:52 PDT 2017

Larry, your way of posing B) seems consistent to the way anthropologist T. Ingold speaks of 'Making' in his 2013 work with the same name (Routledge). 
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To: James Ma; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky

In the service of pushing (and being pulled) into ‘fields’ Alfredo offers an analogy. A::B to accent without mediators.
A)  In the physical sciences two heavenly bodies together constitute a gravitational ‘field’ that determines the movements of both. As a result, the bodies, the force field, and movement no longer are ‘independent’. As soon as another body is added to the system, all three will be altered IN RESPONSE TO the ‘new’ gravitational field brought about by their material presence. When celestial bodies come close to each other, the gravitational ‘field’ created IN the encounter affects them all. Once they have separated, they no longer influence each other. However, their flight path has ‘substantially’ been affected IN and BY the ‘field’; the flight path is a form of ‘memory’ of the encounter.
B) Craftspersons or designers work with materials. IN the course of multiple encounters the developmental lines of the craftspersons/designers ‘alter’. Become other. IN such cases materials do not stand ‘between’ craftspersons and the world, but lines of development emerge where bodily orientations, affects, and material ‘configurations’ of the workspace MUTUALLY configure each other, IN this ‘field, none of them being distinguishable as mediator.
This is my attempt to explore the notion of (mediation) and accenting (fields) and mutual configuration through the analogy Alfredo and Michael offer for consideration

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From: James Ma
Sent: April 9, 2017 6:35 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky

Good point, I'd just like to add here: language as a system of signs
creates meaning and social interaction - both Saussure and Peirce have a
lot to say about this, particularly language is seen as both human
constitution and human institution.

James

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On 9 April 2017 at 13:36, <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alfredo,
> I offer a quote from the ‘later’ Vygotsky that you cite in your article
> that may prime the pump:
>
> Language is NOT the relation between a sound and a denoted thing.  It is
> the relation between the speaker and the listener, the relation between
> people directed toward an object.  IT IS THE INTERPSYCHIC REACTION THAT
> ESTABLISHES THE UNITY OF TWO ORAGANISMS IN THE SAME ORIENTATION, Toward an
> object
>
> The focus hear on ‘establishing the UNITY’ of teacher and student IN their
> orientation.
> The IN includes (within)
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: lpscholar2@gmail.com
> Sent: April 9, 2017 5:21 AM
> To: Alfredo Jornet Gil; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: RE: [Xmca-l] Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky
>
> Alfredo,
> I have been slowly reading (and digesting) your and Wolff-Michael’s
> article (Theorizing – with/out mediators) that joins the current ‘takes’ on
> the later Vygotsky.
>
> My impression (and appreciation) of this emerging tradition is significant
> as  an enlarging of the scope and ‘re-working’ of the Vygotsky who was
> known in the process of moving into the West European  and North Atlantic
> form of theorizing.
>
> I am reading your article in relation to the notion of ‘playworlds’ and
> ‘spielraum’ (translated playrooms).
>
> A key re-working of (mediation) has to do with re/thinking triangle
> diagrams as static (with mediation at the apex).
> This generates a PREsumption of two variables at the base of the triangle
> assumed as (elements, essences, things) that inter/act through an
> ‘intermediary’ third (element, essence, thing).
> Your article indicates this is the classical or canonical version of
> (mediation) as the third thing/element through which the other two
> things/elements become changed or develop.
>
> Your re-working of (mediation) adds the temporal, duration, and (unit of
> analysis) and implies it is not the elements or parts that each
> individually change or develop (classic intermediary model of elements
> transformed by going through a third element IN a triangle with an apex
> mediator)
> But rather
> There are only relation of (within UNITS).
> When a tool, technique, sign, word, artifact) develops then the ENTIRE
> UNIT (not elements) develops.
>
> Alfredo, I personally believe your approach (currently re-working
> classical and Western canonical versions) deserves to have its own (place)
> as a subsection on the XMCA site. To become more clear on this ‘later’
> Vygotsky.
> Then a conversation may generate that puts in question this re-working
> BUT
> In a spirit of ‘play’ in rooms.
> A movement back and forth, oscillating, spiralling, developing, and never
> reaching a determinate conclusion, once and forever.
>
> Putting in play triangles with mediators at the apex as static diagrams.
> More open, fluid, theorizing with ANDA WITHOUT ‘mediators’ as we play with
> these notions.
>
> I recommend others read the article ‘Theorizing with/out mediators’.
> Reading the (/) to mean interval where we tarry awhile in a spirit of
> re-working theorizing with/out mediators.
>
> I believe we need to create a subsection on XMCA to let these notions
> percolate and permeate the more classical boundary markers.
>
> My way of saying your article is a pro-found re-working of the notions of
> (within) and (without) and (mediation) at the core of this re-working
> PRE-assumptions.
>
> My morning muse
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
> Sent: April 8, 2017 10:20 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky
>
> Hi Esteban,
>
> yes, things have been a little quiet lately, but there have been few
> threads going on, perhaps most importantly the one discussing Jang's (this
> issue's) paper on multi-ethnic issues on Second Language.
>
> Other threads have seemed to resonate on recent articles/works attempting
> to re-work (or work further) some of Vygotsky's key concepts, in particular
> ZPD and Mediation (with a couple of articles having been circulated).
>
> Connecting to the latter, it seems that several of those efforts are
> making emphasis on Vygotsky's later period, suggesting that much of the
> prior and current uptakes have focused almost exclusively on the
> instrumental aspects that were more salient in his middle period, and not
> so much on the lines of inquiry that the psychologist was opening never had
> the chance to pursue.
>
> I attach yet another such work, this time by del Río and Álvarez. Much is
> being written about how and to what extent Vygotsky was revising his own
> prior work. This one tells as more about that, and does so both in English
> and in Spanish.
>
> I wonder how do xmca'ers (who likely are busy reading world news as things
> are getting more and more perplexing) feel and think about this
> tendency/prospect in cultural-historical theory literature.
>
> Alfredo
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> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com>
> Sent: 09 April 2017 03:11
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie,    Apophasis
> ... and TRUMP'S speech!
>
> Hi, Esteban -
>
> Things have been a little quiet recently. I suspect my co-xmca-ers in the
> US are either mid-semester or digging in on big projects that will have
> some significance, hopefully, given what we’re dealing with here.
>
> You may or may not be aware that our new Secretary of Education is the
> sister of Erik Prince, http://www.ibtimes.com/who-
> betsy-devos-brother-erik-princes-involvement-blackwater-chinese-money-
> laundering-2493834
>
> Just a hint of what is happening to education, top to bottom, in the US.
>
>
> Helena
>
>
> Helena Worthen
> helenaworthen@gmail.com
> Berkeley, CA 94707
> Blog about US and Viet Nam: helenaworthen.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Stephen Diaz <EDiaz@csusb.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Don't know if you are still the one for xmcc but I am not getting any
> emails from that list serve.  Can you please check on that.  I still want
> to continue on it if possible.  Thanks.
> >
> > Esteban Diaz
> >
> >
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> on behalf of Bruce Jones <bjones@ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 3:23 PM
> > To: mike cole; Andy Blunden; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis
> ... and TRUMP'S speech!
> >
> > On 2/5/17 2:39 PM, mike cole wrote:
> >> Bruce's email is not bouncing from san diego.
> >> Perhaps there is only one c in unsubscribe?
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