[Xmca-l] Re: Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky

Sun Apr 9 09:18:57 PDT 2017

Greg,
Would this Peircean perspective be consistent with the Alvarez article sent by Alfredo today  contrasting (sequential) ways in early V with (simultaneous) ways in later V

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From: Greg Thompson
Sent: April 9, 2017 9:06 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky

Larry,
The late Vygotsky quote you offered sounds very much like Peirce (P was
critical of "correspondence" theories of semiosis (V's NOT a relation
between sound and thing), and the intrepretant is about the holding of a
particular sign relation in the same way as another (V's unity)). Perhaps
Vygotsky's late turn was from a Saussurean understanding of the sign to a
Peircean one?
-greg

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:36 AM, <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alfredo,
> I offer a quote from the ‘later’ Vygotsky that you cite in your article
> that may prime the pump:
>
> Language is NOT the relation between a sound and a denoted thing.  It is
> the relation between the speaker and the listener, the relation between
> people directed toward an object.  IT IS THE INTERPSYCHIC REACTION THAT
> ESTABLISHES THE UNITY OF TWO ORAGANISMS IN THE SAME ORIENTATION, Toward an
> object
>
> The focus hear on ‘establishing the UNITY’ of teacher and student IN their
> orientation.
> The IN includes (within)
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: lpscholar2@gmail.com
> Sent: April 9, 2017 5:21 AM
> To: Alfredo Jornet Gil; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: RE: [Xmca-l] Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky
>
> Alfredo,
> I have been slowly reading (and digesting) your and Wolff-Michael’s
> article (Theorizing – with/out mediators) that joins the current ‘takes’ on
> the later Vygotsky.
>
> My impression (and appreciation) of this emerging tradition is significant
> as  an enlarging of the scope and ‘re-working’ of the Vygotsky who was
> known in the process of moving into the West European  and North Atlantic
> form of theorizing.
>
> I am reading your article in relation to the notion of ‘playworlds’ and
> ‘spielraum’ (translated playrooms).
>
> A key re-working of (mediation) has to do with re/thinking triangle
> diagrams as static (with mediation at the apex).
> This generates a PREsumption of two variables at the base of the triangle
> assumed as (elements, essences, things) that inter/act through an
> ‘intermediary’ third (element, essence, thing).
> Your article indicates this is the classical or canonical version of
> (mediation) as the third thing/element through which the other two
> things/elements become changed or develop.
>
> Your re-working of (mediation) adds the temporal, duration, and (unit of
> analysis) and implies it is not the elements or parts that each
> individually change or develop (classic intermediary model of elements
> transformed by going through a third element IN a triangle with an apex
> mediator)
> But rather
> There are only relation of (within UNITS).
> When a tool, technique, sign, word, artifact) develops then the ENTIRE
> UNIT (not elements) develops.
>
> Alfredo, I personally believe your approach (currently re-working
> classical and Western canonical versions) deserves to have its own (place)
> as a subsection on the XMCA site. To become more clear on this ‘later’
> Vygotsky.
> Then a conversation may generate that puts in question this re-working
> BUT
> In a spirit of ‘play’ in rooms.
> A movement back and forth, oscillating, spiralling, developing, and never
> reaching a determinate conclusion, once and forever.
>
> Putting in play triangles with mediators at the apex as static diagrams.
> More open, fluid, theorizing with ANDA WITHOUT ‘mediators’ as we play with
> these notions.
>
> I recommend others read the article ‘Theorizing with/out mediators’.
> Reading the (/) to mean interval where we tarry awhile in a spirit of
> re-working theorizing with/out mediators.
>
> I believe we need to create a subsection on XMCA to let these notions
> percolate and permeate the more classical boundary markers.
>
> My way of saying your article is a pro-found re-working of the notions of
> (within) and (without) and (mediation) at the core of this re-working
> PRE-assumptions.
>
> My morning muse
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
> Sent: April 8, 2017 10:20 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Current takes on the 'later' Vygotsky
>
> Hi Esteban,
>
> yes, things have been a little quiet lately, but there have been few
> threads going on, perhaps most importantly the one discussing Jang's (this
> issue's) paper on multi-ethnic issues on Second Language.
>
> Other threads have seemed to resonate on recent articles/works attempting
> to re-work (or work further) some of Vygotsky's key concepts, in particular
> ZPD and Mediation (with a couple of articles having been circulated).
>
> Connecting to the latter, it seems that several of those efforts are
> making emphasis on Vygotsky's later period, suggesting that much of the
> prior and current uptakes have focused almost exclusively on the
> instrumental aspects that were more salient in his middle period, and not
> so much on the lines of inquiry that the psychologist was opening never had
> the chance to pursue.
>
> I attach yet another such work, this time by del Río and Álvarez. Much is
> being written about how and to what extent Vygotsky was revising his own
> prior work. This one tells as more about that, and does so both in English
> and in Spanish.
>
> I wonder how do xmca'ers (who likely are busy reading world news as things
> are getting more and more perplexing) feel and think about this
> tendency/prospect in cultural-historical theory literature.
>
> Alfredo
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com>
> Sent: 09 April 2017 03:11
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie,    Apophasis
> ... and TRUMP'S speech!
>
> Hi, Esteban -
>
> Things have been a little quiet recently. I suspect my co-xmca-ers in the
> US are either mid-semester or digging in on big projects that will have
> some significance, hopefully, given what we’re dealing with here.
>
> You may or may not be aware that our new Secretary of Education is the
> sister of Erik Prince, http://www.ibtimes.com/who-
> betsy-devos-brother-erik-princes-involvement-blackwater-chinese-money-
> laundering-2493834
>
> Just a hint of what is happening to education, top to bottom, in the US.
>
>
> Helena
>
>
> Helena Worthen
> helenaworthen@gmail.com
> Berkeley, CA 94707
> Blog about US and Viet Nam: helenaworthen.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Stephen Diaz <EDiaz@csusb.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Don't know if you are still the one for xmcc but I am not getting any
> emails from that list serve.  Can you please check on that.  I still want
> to continue on it if possible.  Thanks.
> >
> > Esteban Diaz
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Bruce Jones <bjones@ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 3:23 PM
> > To: mike cole; Andy Blunden; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis
> ... and TRUMP'S speech!
> >
> > On 2/5/17 2:39 PM, mike cole wrote:
> >> Bruce's email is not bouncing from san diego.
> >> Perhaps there is only one c in unsubscribe?
> >
> > Spelling mistakes will not cause bounces.  I do the unsubscribes by hand
> > in order to make sure they are removed from the database.
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Sys Admin, LCHC
> > bjones@ucsd.edu
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> >
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