[Xmca-l] Re: Time for a Generational Change

[Huw Lloyd]

On 26 October 2016 at 21:08, White, Phillip <Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu>
wrote:

> [...]
> if the majority of the male participants of xmca are actively concerned
> along with Mike regarding the gender imbalance in participation, then i
> think that there needs to be a recognition that the current chaining
> practice is not separate, but part of the ecology of gender imbalance.
>

Chaining chaining, Phillip? :)


>
>
> phillip
>
> ________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of lpscholar2@gmail.com <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:28:51 AM
> To: Jay Lemke; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Time for a Generational Change
>
> Mike,
> My testament to the profund*ity of what you have meant to my journey or
> quest through living the questions.
>
> As we talk about generational transformation i hear legacy. I hear your
> question of gender imbalance and the mere chaining as the questions for our
> time.
> The question of gender brings up Franklin’s classroom where the girls know
> we can invite one boy to play. Possibly two boys who are carefully chosen
> and compatible. However, the girls know that when 3 boys come to play they
> form a *clique* of superheros.
> Seems a relevant place to start our exploration of why the gender
> imbalance.
>
> The 2nd question of chaining.
> You invited Greg to turn back to the historical genesis of the founding
> and development of our community.
>
> Today i will move further back and play with word meaning as a way to
> express my testament and gratitude.
> I will turn back to Xenophan and the word *dialegein*.
> I googled this word to find its meaning and heard a way of expressing my
> personal gratitude to you and also honouring your legacy in the back and
> forth.
>
> Here is what caught my ear.
>
> Xenophan tells us (Memorabilia IV, 5,12) that Socrates connected dialectic
> with dialegein in the active voice; he said that the dialektikos or
> dialectician is the man who can sort good from bad and that dialectic is
> the practice of sorting things into their kinds by taking counsel with each
> other. The theory which Xenophan imputes to Socrates would be roughly along
> these lines. To dialegesthai is to engage in the sort of conversation that
> is courteous, serious, and concerned with the truth. When men are thus
> seriously conversing, each trying to learn from the other, they are sorting
> things out for themselves; and roughly the only way in which a man can sort
> things for himself is to expose his ideas in this way to another’s
> criticism. Thus the colloquial meaning of dialegesthai; namely *to converse
> as one should* can be seen to be equivalent to the meaning which etymology
> might lead us to put upon the *middle voice of dialegein*, namely to sort
> for oneself.
>
> Mike, as i read this word meaning i was turned to the testimony’s now
> being expressed as we reflect on generational transformation AND ongoing
> legacy AND the living questions you posed.
>
> I want to honour your *middle voice* as my contribution to the
> intertwining.
> My identity would be other than it is without your voice of conscience and
> conscientiousness that nurtures us in sorting out ways of
> well-being-in-the-world-with-each-other.
> In short nurturing and cultivating *well-being*.
> Thank you
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: Jay Lemke
> Sent: October 25, 2016 4:45 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Time for a Generational Change
>
> Just a note to say how moving and beautiful these notes of appreciation for
> Mike's commitment to the community (in many senses) have been. Speaking as
> one of the old-timers, I think all of us echo every word of the most
> beautiful of them, which speak for all of us.
>
> To the younger generation who wonder how we managed in decades past to talk
> with each other and not past each other, despite a very great diversity of
> intellectual and cultural backgrounds, I can only say that we were eager to
> hear different views, other ideas. We were not looking to build a grand
> unified consensus. Each of us had our theory-building projects (or many of
> us did) and our research experiences, and what we wanted was to hear what
> others were thinking.
>
> The history of this community has not been like that of specialist
> scientific communities that seek to build on each other's work. It has
> rather been a true multi-disciplinary community where the greatest gifts we
> have given each other have been ideas we had never thought of, or
> viewpoints leading to conclusions similar to our own, but starting from
> entirely different premises.
>
> Many of us joined to hear more about the CHAT/Vygotskyan approach. But we
> stayed because we also heard so much more. And for me the greatest of
> Mike's contributions was that he made everyone feel welcome, helping to
> make sure that all these different voices could be heard. To the lasting
> benefit of us all.
>
> JAY.
>
>
>
> Jay Lemke
> Professor Emeritus
> City University of New York
> www.jaylemke.com<http://www.jaylemke.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Esteemed Mike,
> > I add my little voice to the accolades and appreciation expressed by the
> > other members of the XMCA chatline. Thank you so much for nourishing the
> > dialog, which I have found to be so thought-provoking. It has often
> > challenged my simplistic notions of what Vygotsky and many others bring
> to
> > bear in taking on this complex and complicated world.
> > With great respect
> > Henry
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Wendy Maples <wendy.maples@outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Mike,
> > >
> > > As a frequent lurker, I am very grateful for the chance to see and
> think
> > about some terrifically interesting topics explored by some terrifically
> > interesting people. Thank you for making it happen, and keeping it going.
> > >
> > > With gratitude and very best wishes,
> > >
> > > Wendy
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >
> > on behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> > > Sent: 25 October 2016 04:41
> > > To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Time for a Generational Change
> > >
> > > Mike, all,
> > >
> > > thanks for your beautiful e-mail, Mike. It has only been a couple of
> > years, but I have witnessed how much effort and dedication you have
> > invested and continue investing in creating and sustaining a community
> like
> > xmca. For a youngster fellow like me, coming for the first time to write
> in
> > a forum where you know some of the most influential authors in the chat
> > literature are there, either actively participating or just lurking from
> > time to time, really freezes you before the keyboard. That's what I first
> > felt until, the first e-mail went out. Since then, I have always felt
> > welcome to write more, and every time have been place in a place from
> which
> > I could think better and more. And so rather than frozen and stiff, my
> > hands, and with them my thinking, have become a little more flexible,
> and a
> > little more confident too. Thanks xmca for that, for giving me(us) the
> > trust to contribute, and in so doing giving me(us) the opportunity to
> > become part of a thinking that could have never been just my own. In the
> > little time I have spent here, and as anyone can hear in the the words of
> > those who have been here for much longer, it has become clear how
> important
> > your role, Mike, and that of the community of xmca'ers that so much
> respect
> > you, has been in precisely that: giving us trust to speak, which in a
> very
> > important sense is giving us freedom.
> > >
> > > Thanks also for having me in, and for the welcoming words of the
> others.
> > For a newbie that came in touch with xmca just a couple of years ago, it
> > feels pretty scary to be presented as taking some "pastoral" role, but of
> > course every one here knows that there is nothing like a flock to be
> > pastored (perhaps a herd of cats, as Jay suggested, is best). Mike has
> > presented me as taking the role as "mediator," and that is a convenient
> > term we came up with together. Yet, I should quote here F. T. Mikhailov
> > (thanks Michael for introducing me to this!), for whom it was clear that
> > "the soul knows no mediators." Just in the same sense, I do not think I
> > will mediate much, if mediating is heard to mean standing between xmca
> and
> > anyone else (its members). If anything, I will only be able to partake in
> > xmca as a member who, as many others already do, cares for and learns
> from
> > the whole she forms part of. I am very excited about continue growing
> with
> > xmca, and I hope I will be able to help in moving forward in the very
> > honourable tasks that Mike has invited us taking. It seems to me that
> xmca
> > has through the years grown into all what is needed to continue growing.
> > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Alfredo
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >
> > on behalf of Chuck Bazerman <bazerman@education.ucsb.edu>
> > > Sent: 24 October 2016 23:18
> > > To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Time for a Generational Change
> > >
> > > Mike,  As a mostly lurker with occasional outburst, I want to say how
> > > much I have appreciated all you have done to foster interesting
> thoughts
> > > and to put interesting people in contact.  Now I hope you too will have
> > > the leisure and pleasure of lurking.
> > > Best,
> > > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
>
>