[Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism

Mon Aug 8 19:05:28 PDT 2016

That explain why my search for an English version of it was fruitless.

Wagner

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Here is what Andrew said when I asked him about Butterflies:
>
> Dear Andy,
> Yes, Lois Holzman is sort of right. Around 25 or so years ago the world
> was rather different from today and the BBC was easily persuaded to invest
> the small fortune that it took to make a number of documentary films around
> the theme of the transformability of human psychic development. Not only
> did I spark these off but served as 'technical advisor' to all of them and
> was quite closely involved in their making. The BBC distributed information
> to viewers who wrote in after seeing the programmes, and even published a
> small book. It was all great fun and for while I risked a little optimism,
> but the world changed... They were quite good films in their way. Not at a
> technical level, if by that one means in terms of how well they portrayed
> the psycho-educational principles and the philosophies that each concerned,
> but as propaganda that move people who knew. The director and writer had
> their own ideas of what could make powerful television and parts of all
> these films are technically weak at what I regarded as their central
> themes. What did I know, though? I was just pleased to let Ann Paul the
> producer/director and Michael Dean the writer have their head. One of the
> films enjoyed some critical acclaim and even for a time affected social
> policy at the national level (not The Butterflies of Zagorsk). Many
> professionals in the relevant sectors hated them. That was all fun too. The
> Butterflies of Zagorsk was a hour long, and perhaps it might have been
> better at more tightly edited at fifty minutes. At the superficial level it
> portrayed the work of the Deaf-Bind Children's Home at Zagorsk (now Sergiev
> Posad). that was the concrete heritage of Sololyanskii and Meshcheriyakov,
> and of course Il'enkov, represented in still living pedagogy and
> upbringing. More deeply it tried to convey the social-cultural/historical
> understanding of L. S. Vygotskii's social-cultural/historical understanding
> and what this implies. So, Lois Holzman rather overstated my role in all
> this. I did not make them and had no formal ownership. Ownership was with
> the BBC and the BBC is notoriously jealous of its intellectual property –
> hence their later absence from YouTube. One could for a while buy tapes of
> these films above board (at a fiendish cost) but following major
> reorganisation at the BBC, including closure of its Documentaries
> Department, this facility disappeared. A few years ago I wrote to ask about
> the present situation but could find no one at the BBC who knew even how to
> find out about this, and by then I knew nobody higher up who could lean on
> the organisation! As an an immediate response to your question about
> availability' of The Butterflies of Zagorsk I can give only the same answer
> that I have had to give so many times over the years. Unless you come
> across a copy of a pirated example somewhere, you may search in vain. I do
> not have one myself (the early nineties were tumultuous times for me), nor
> do I think that Ann Paul (long now retired) has either. I am in Germany for
> a few days at the moment but when I get back I shall follow one lead that
> occurs to me. Nil desperandum, but don't hold your breath! Of course, if
> your Portuguese is up to it, in the meantime you can watch this film on
> YouTube, under the title of As borboletas de Zagorsk.:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnQt9F--NgHfOKHCpRwxKClD4Eo0lY87I
> suspect that this is a pirated version of a 'official' version sold abroad
> by the BBC, probably for broadcast in Brazil. It sold the film to other
> foreign broadcasting companies too, so a thorough search might find other
> leads.The Portuguese one references above is a terrible print, and of
> course probably loses something in translation of what the original
> actually said. Look up the Portuguese title on Google, though, and you will
> see that even so the film is still powerful enough to attract attention.
> Best answer that I can offer in my present situation, Andrew.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Blunden http://home.mira.net/~andy http://www.brill.com/products/
> book/origins-collective-decision-making
> On 5/08/2016 11:27 AM, Lois Holzman wrote:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>> I know of it through Andrew Sutton andrew@conductive-education.org.uk
>>
>> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/ <
>> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/>
>> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education <
>> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education>
>> /http://www.specialworld.net/2016/04/05/conductive-education
>> -the-unfinished-story/ <http://www.specialworld.net/2
>> 016/04/05/conductive-education-the-unfinished-story/>—read this one for
>> the latest
>> http://www.conductive-world.info <http://www.conductive-world.info/>—Andrew's
>> site
>>
>> I met Andrew a long time ago because as the person who made the
>> documentary Butterflies of Zagorsk (mentioned on XMCA a bunch of times) and
>> learned of his work with conductive education from him.
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.
>>
>> Lois
>>
>> Lois Holzman
>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
>> 119 West 23 St, suite 902
>> New York, NY 10011
>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
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>> Blogs
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>> uthor/lois/>
>> Websites
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>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know anything about "conductivism"?
>>>
>>> I understand it is a school of educational psychology which is used in
>>> the education of severely disabled children, it came out of Hungary and
>>> they have an interest in Vygotsky. And I think the name is an allusion to
>>> the "conductor" of an orchestra.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Andy Blunden
>>> http://home.mira.net/~andy
>>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>>>
>>
>>
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