[Xmca-l] Re: Blackface and Gayface

[Robert Lake]

Greg,
You are stereotyping vegans. Some do love collards :-).


On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rob,
>
> Collard Greens were first introduced in the US by African Slaves. It is a
> regional dish (though not appealing to Vegans) served in both Southern
> cuisine and Soul Food.
>
> Collard Greens though have taken on a strong metaphorical  role in southern
> Black identity.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:12 AM R.J.S.Parsons <r.j.s.parsons@open.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > It is wonderful what you learn on xmca. I had never heard of collard
> > greens before. A quick visit to Wikipedia has enlightened me: things I
> > eat most days. But the category has no meaning in my life, or in that of
> > any other UK resident I am aware of. We eat some, we don't eat others.
> >
> > Can someone enlighten me as to how and in what way collard greens has
> > become a marker of identity in the USA?
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > On 25/04/2016 15:37, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe wrote:
> > >
> > > Jacob
> > > Now we have to get into the definition of what is black identity?  I am
> > native haitian who grew up in the provinces where my grandparents
> practiced
> > vodou and raised me to think as an african.  My world was constituted via
> > the universe and vodou.  I simply do not believe in defining myself by my
> > skin-color.  By white man, yes I do privilege white experiences of the
> > earth and the ideologies and apparatuses they have constituted as a
> result
> > of the experience; blackness in the west was defined in relation to that
> > experience. So in order for me to be black in america and join the black
> > community what should I do:
> > > Join a so-called black church (they discriminate against my vodou
> > religion as in vodou we discriminate against them for they practice the
> > white man's faith)Eat collard greens, chicken, and macaroni and
> cheeseSpeak
> > AAEVwear skinny jeansListen to rap music and rb
> > > OR is Barack Obama a paragon for e. Franklin frazier's the black
> > bourgeoisie?
> > > I am haitian and My wife is black american and we have two sons... I do
> > not let my sons do the black church thing.  My wife attends her
> protestant
> > church every sunday.  But my sons are not allowed to attend;  No AAEV in
> > the house; we are vegans so we do not do many of the foods...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Jacob McWilliams <jennamcjenna@gmail.com>
> > > Date: 4/25/2016  9:46 AM  (GMT-05:00)
> > > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Blackface and Gayface
> > >
> > > I do not, and never will, agree with the arguments that reject Obama's
> > > black identity. I find those arguments deeply problematic at minimum,
> and
> > > usually much worse than problematic. However, I do wish that those who
> > > argue that Obama is not black would not describe him as a white man. By
> > the
> > > terms of this argument, whiteness is no more a "real" category than is
> > > blackness, and referring to Obama as a "white man," even if done to
> shock
> > > people, serves to feed into the very real, and not at all fictitious,
> > > hegemony of whiteness in America and around the world.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>



-- 
Robert Lake  Ed.D.
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Social Foundations of Education
Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
Georgia Southern University
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