[Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

[mike cole]

Nektarios--- Where does LSV use the term, scaffolding? Hmmmmm.
mike

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Nektarios Alexi <NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> It might be that only now after trying to read and understand Vygotsky's
> work for the last 4 years I might started having a sense what perezhivanie
> really is (so it might be that firstly I am shocked by realizing the depth
> and breath of this russian word) by reading Vasilyuk commentaries. Also I
> am talking from the perspective of many Australians, so call postmodern
> psychotherapists or otherwise call narrative psychotherapists, that their
> main teacher was Michael White, who claims in his books that he uses
> Vygotsky's idea of scaffolding to help people to restructure their
> narratives and as a consequence of that to overcome their mental health
> issues. I do not think that the way Vasilyuk understands Vygotsky has any
> simillarity with the way that many narrative psychotherapists might have
> understood Vygotsky, so I think for any postmodern thinker who claims to be
> a follower of  Vygotsky it might be a bit shocking to read how Vasilyuk
> interprets many of the basic concepts of Vygotsky's work.
>
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
>
>
> Nektarios
>
> ________________________________
> From: Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
> Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 9:44 PM
> To: Nektarios Alexi; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Annalisa Aguilar
> Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
>
> The long trail of spaces at the end of the URL may cause people to get a
> bad link, Alex.
> Try http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176
>
> Why do you say Vasilyuk gives such a *shocking* perspective on
> perezhivanie, Alex?
> Andy
> ________________________________
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> On 2/11/2015 10:20 PM, Nektarios Alexi wrote:
>
> Attach is the article  that is locked. I have only read the first article
> from the list and hoping to read the other two by tomorrow sometime. I have
> a sense that Vasilyuk work is a good answer against the postmodern attitude
> of many psychotherapists and counsellors today and especially in Australia.
> Is funny though that narrative therapists in Australia and especially
> Michael White was thinking that is  applying Vygotsky's ideas in his work
> (i don't think he ever read his work properly). Vasilyuk I think is
> shocking by giving such an unexpected perspective to the word
> *perezhivanie*. Another shocking perspective of Vygotsky and against the
> postmodern attitudes of many psychotherapists today comes from the Thesis
> of    Levykh Michael where he gives an amazing description of the word
> (leachnost) which the english translation is personality.
>
> Find his thesis in the following link
> http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176________________________________________
>
> Best Wishes,
> Nektarios
>
>
> From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu>] on behalf of
> Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>]
> Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 7:49 PM
> To: Annalisa Aguilar; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
>
> The article I am referring to is at
> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10610405.2015.1064721
> People might be interested in the concept of
> "psychotherapeutic reliance" for example.
> The reliance is the process within the patient which the
> therapist relies upon to resolve the problem, thus
> separating the technique used by the therapist from the
> process within the subject which is being relied upon in
> designing the technique.
> In pre-Freudian days when the method was hypnosis, the
> reliance is *suggestibility*.
> FOr Freudian psychotherapy, the reliance is *awareness*.
> For Psychodrama, the reliance is *spontaneity*.
> For Behavioural Therapy, the reliance is *learning*.
> For Vasilyuk's "Co-experiencing" therapy the reliance is
> *perezhivanie*, and he goes on to describe the main
> characteristics of perezhivanie.
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> On 2/11/2015 6:50 PM, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:
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>
> Unfortunately, Andy, that 2nd article is locked down.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Annalisa
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>
>


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