[Xmca-l] Re: Having an experience

[Andy Blunden]

Yes, Larry, BOTH doing and undergoing are necessary for an 
experience.
If you are acting blindly to what you are doing then you 
cannot have an experience in that,

Andy
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*Andy Blunden*
http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
On 18/07/2015 1:40 PM, Larry Purss wrote:
> Andy,
>
> the phrase
> "changing how you henceforth interact with a certain kind 
> of situation, person or whatever".
> This form of wilfully changing the world as a "doing" may 
> "conceal" as well as "reveal" and become one sided "doing".
>
> However, as I was reading Dewey's "Having an Experience" I 
> was reading a  caution that we also  pause in our 
> reflections/critiques when we are intently focusing on 
> "doing". That THIS "doing" may be/come a one sided 
> intended focus if we loose sight of the "on the other 
> hand" of "doing" [the receiving aspect] as also changing 
> how you henceforth interact with a certain kind of 
> situation, person, or whatever."
>
> Changing "how you henceforth act"  includes this 
> other kind of "doing" that is not so focused on 
> "constructing" but is more focused as anticipation  
> opening towards  and undergoing "an" experience as a way 
> of orienting within  the world.
>
> performing the world "includes" this doing and that doing 
> and both are agentic ways of experiencing forming places. 
> Either alone and we loose having "an" experience.
>
> Is Dewey actually saying what I am putting in his mouth? 
> Am I "translating"? or learning a different "language"?
> Here is Thomas Kuhn's understanding of "learning a language"
>
> There is a certain group of connected terms that seem to 
> occur together in closely related ways in areas that do 
> not make sense.  Finally one perceives that if you "use" 
> the words THIS way you can finally understand what these 
> passages in a text "mean".  You then utilize what you have 
> "discovered" and teach other people to use the words in 
> THAT way.  That's why Kuhn says that the process of 
> "understanding" involves language LEARNING  and cannot be 
> reduced to "translation"
> You cannot go back and forth between the two languages. 
> You cannot simply incorporate terms from another language 
> into your own language and "use" them interchangeably with 
> your own terms."
>
> Now to "understand" the language is conceptual but must we 
> also undergo having "an" experience "using" this language 
> before we "understand" this language. And is THIS process 
> of undergoing "an" experience the meaning of "learning"?
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> Andy, I am asking if both kinds of "doing" are necessary 
> for learning and to "have" an experience that is 
> meaningful? Both in/take and out/take [taking "in"] and 
> [taking "out"]. Anticipation consummated and completed 
> and at rest [not concluded and finished]  In Dewey's 
> language "phases" of experience. In place-making the 
> "extension" within time.