[Xmca-l] Re: Heidegger's Notebooks Renew Focus on Anti-Semitism - NYTimes.com

[Peter Smagorinsky]

I can't recommend too highly Snyder's Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin, for a spectacularly detailed and compelling account of this process.

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That's an interesting question. The protocols of the elders of Zion, the antisemitic libel, was first published in Russia and then extensively used by Hitler. Umberto Eco writes a fantastic fictional account of the origin of the Protocols in his last novel, The Prague Cemetery. If anything, the novel shows that XXth century antisemitism crystallises many cultural threads and that many influences were reciprocal. Afterwards, during the Soviet era, antisemitism should be understood as a part of the mechanics of Stalinism. Specially iconic are the events associated to the so-called doctor's plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot) and the so-called night of the murdered poets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Murdered_Poets)

On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:17 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> What a tortured and tangled history with both Kant and Hegel in it.
> In my personal experience, anti-semitism in Russia was more intense 
> than any I had previously encountered in the U.S. Does the influence 
> of German philosophy and psychology on Russian thought which has often 
> been discussed on xlchc/xmca link up with anti-semitism in the two 
> countries in the same way?
> 
> For those who were mystified by my reference to *Jew Suss* the 
> wikipedia entry provides relevant background. The story begins with a 
> novel by an anti-fascist writer which is then inverted in a fascist 
> film. I liked the novel at the time I read it many decades ago.
> 
> mike
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:52 AM, rjsp2 <r.j.s.parsons@open.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Joris's translation is available at 
>> http://www.pierrejoris.com/blog/?p=317
>> 
>> and there is more at the Wikipedia page on Celan:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Celan  which I just edited to 
>> provide the right link to Joris's blog. (This is work avoidance, you 
>> will realise.)
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> On 31/03/2014 16:34, David Preiss wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> I yet don't know whether addressing the issue from the point of view 
>>> of Heidegger's writings is relevant. I am aware that for many people 
>>> in the philosophy departments what is attractive as a scholarly 
>>> activity is to elucidate whether his philosophy has substantive 
>>> connections with a Nazi worldview. I can understand why is 
>>> interesting to them. And, yet, I doubt that the masses adhering to 
>>> nazism got it from reading Heidegger or other philosophers as the 
>>> nazism of the german populace was quite basic and quite naturalized.
>>> 
>>> What I think is the real problem is how to judge the actions of 
>>> intellectuals during times where the worst side of humanity takes 
>>> center stage. Thus, I think that Heidegger has to be judged 
>>> according to what he did, what he publicly said as regards the 
>>> Holocaust (before, during and after). And we don't need to read the 
>>> black notebooks to learn that his moral stature is not compatible 
>>> with the sensitivity he shows in some of his writings.
>>> 
>>> Alas, poor Celan, whom expected something different from him until 
>>> the
>>> end:
>>> http://wings.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/joris/todtnauberg.html
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:18 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Among the many things to read, that was an interesting summary of 
>>> the
>>>> black
>>>> notebooks, David.
>>>> 
>>>> Am i correct in interpreting the link between heidegger and 
>>>> anti-semitism t, according to this account, to run through the sin 
>>>> of rationalism and its epitome in mathematics as "calculation" 
>>>> presumably linking rationalism and money lending, and hence the 
>>>> historical steretotype as in *Jew Suss*?
>>>> Or is that too simple?
>>>> 
>>>> Is the anti-semitism endemic to the philosophy or contingent 
>>>> invasion of a historical German cultural narrative?
>>>> 
>>>> (signed)
>>>> The blind man with a stick
>>>> mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:47 PM, David Kellogg 
>>>> <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Martin:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've only seen short extracts from the "Black Notebooks", but what 
>>>>> I've seen suggests that the real problem is not time but precisely 
>>>>> the problem of "worlding" which was mentioned earlier.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jews, according to the "Black Notebooks", are an "unworlded" 
>>>>> people, and because of that they are necessarily parasitic upon 
>>>>> peoples who are deeply and profoundly in the world, i.e. his truly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/books/heideggers-
>>>>> notebooks-renew-focus-on-anti-semitism.html?_r=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's a big world, and there are lots of other things to read. They 
>>>>> are only short extracts, but they are more than enough.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Kellogg
>>>>> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 31 March 2014 10:02, Martin John Packer 
>>>>> <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, this always the problem with Heidegger: his appalling 
>>>>>> politics,
>>>>>> 
>>>>> both professional and personal.  However, the conceptual problem 
>>>>> he was working on was also important to philosophers with very 
>>>>> different politics.
>>>>> For example, Lucien Goldmann found parallels between Heidegger and 
>>>>> Lukacs (ref below). I find it helpful to (try to) understand what 
>>>>> Heidegger was trying to do, and also understand how a philosopher 
>>>>> of human existence was unable to prevent himself from becoming a 
>>>>> very unpleasant human being.
>>>>> (The
>>>>> problem lies in his treatment of time, in my view.)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Goldmann, L. (1979). Lukacs and Heidegger: Towards a new philosophy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Routledge and Kegan Paul.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:10 PM, David Preiss 
>>>>>> <daviddpreiss@gmail.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> As an aside to the ongoing references to Heidegger... May be of
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> interest or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> DP
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/books/heideggers-notebooks-
>>>>> renew-focus-on-anti-semitism.html?referrer=
>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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