[Xmca-l] Re: Playing with/at TED

[Greg Thompson]

I thought I might dial back the level of theorizing a bit (all apologies
Larry!) and point to the movie A Thousand Clowns and raise a question. Here
is the link to the opening 4 minutes of the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KpgUMT6EGg

My question is: who is "playing" in this movie?  Jason Robards' character
or everyone else?
-greg
p.s. You can never have too many eagles!


On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lois, Greg
>
> This theme of *radical* play [going to the root of play] and Greg's playing
> with the term *otherwise* than the real/actual I hope can be played with a
> little further.
>
> I *read* this theme of emerging lived experience / live experiencing [from
> D Kellogg in the other post] as pointing to *human nature* as playing
>  between the literal and metaphorical
>
> Merleau-Ponty suggests that subjects and objects SIMULTANEOUSLY emerge
> within  / clearings  /  fields  / dimensions /
> and the difficulty arises when we expand an *object* to become perceived AS
> THE  /field/clearing/dimension.
> We loose sight of the *object* as an *aspect* of the clearing [where
> becoming/not becoming are being *played out* within the simultaneous
> emergence of subjectivity and objectivity] and we become lost in the object
> AS IF it was the dimension of experience.
>
> Mike, this playful theme I *read* also as an example of the metaphor of the
> *developmental spiral* moving between *individuation* [subjectivity] AND
> *integration* [self's return to original source at a *higher* level of
> *development*
> As I listened to Anna Stetsenko's contrasting Dewey's *transactional* model
> with her *transformational* model I also *read* another version of this
> *spiral* metaphor of subject and object playfully emerging within lived
> experience / live experienced backward and forward play
>
> This theme also ties in with the question of *humanism* within the notion
> of *human nature* Is the character [quality] of *play* a transhistorical
> phenomena?? Joel Kovel defines *transhistorical* as a phenomena that is a
> property of *human nature* that needs to be manifest in all historical
> situations, whwerever humans have made there world. Transhistorical
> phenomena cannot be confined to particular historical locations. On the
> other hand the transhistorical is not natural either [in the informal
> sense] since the transhistorical ONLY manifests historically and so is
> shaped decisively by particular historical conditions.
> Transhistorical phenomena do confer a degree of universality and
> *essentiality* to the notion of human nature.
> Is it possible that *radical* play [could be otherwise] is a
> transhistorical aspect mediating BETWEEN *human* AND *nature*??
>
> Joel Kovel suggests there is an ensemble of five qualities/ideas of
> *nature* which are variations on the THEME of *otherness* A sense that our
> *human being* reflects a sense that our being is a part and yet distinct
> from nature. A sense of our human incompleteness and mortality. Therefore
> the metaphor of the *developmental spiral* playing out through the
> Christian fall of the soul away from God, through neo-platonists through
> Romantic return to nature and moving to current models of psychology and
> even *critical hermeneutics* [see Joel Kovel]
>
> AN ASIDE: Joel identifies nature's five qualities as *essence* *vital
> force* *real material world*  *past* and *archetypal primal mother*  He
> suggests all five qualities are variations on the theme of *otherness* [and
> I would add *desire for return to integration]
>
> I *read* radical play as possibly participating in this spiral metaphor AS
> a *root* metaphor [radical AS root]
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Lois Holzman <
> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Apologies, Greg, for the delay in responding to this very meaty message!
> I
> > appreciate that it led you in many directions and you took the time to
> > share them with me and xmca. I read it quickly and then overlooked it all
> > this time.
> >
> > I think you've understood much of what I try to say about play but not
> > all. I'm relieved you read me as unorthodox!!
> > Let me try to "yes, and" you and myself.
> > What's key to me is not restraint or not, but the reshaping ("playing
> > with") the dialectic who we are/not who we are of, being/becoming. This
> is
> > both a point of departure from Vygotsky and at the same time it comes
> from
> > him. I do think that his description of early childhood
> > learning-and-development, and of the importance of imitation, and doing
> > what you don't know how to do — these are instances of being/becoming and
> > very much—in their social activity-ness—like the way he describes early
> > childhood play as "a head taller." He, as we know, makes a distinction
> > between play being the leading activity of young children and learning of
> > school age children—I think he didn't see the similarity in both "Play
> and
> > Non-play" for young children—at least not the similarity that I see. In
> > both, the child is engaging in a kind of being/becoming play/performance.
> > So for me it is the simultaneity of being who we are and who we are not
> > (other) that is what's the exciting and life span activity of playing,
> > performing. (You can download my chapter, without Creating ZPDs There is
> No
> > Creativity, in Vygotsky and Creativity at
> > http://loisholzman.org/media/chapters/).
> > So games, winners, losers, etc. are features of some play but not of all
> > play. And I like what Vygotsky has to say about this and rules and
> > imagination.
> >
> > I also understand play (in my sense of it) as how we human beings create
> > culture...we don't just appropriate it.
> >
> > Again, thank you,
> > Lois
> >
> >
> >
> > Lois Holzman
> > Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > Social Media
> > Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > Blogs
> > Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > Websites
> > Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > All Stars Project
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 25, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Lois,
> > > I wonder if the following captures your meaning/sense of the word
> "play":
> > >
> > > Play is an engagement with "the otherwise".
> > > In a sense, play involves bringing irrealis into reality.
> > >
> > > I really like this way of thinking about play (and I may be reading too
> > > much into your understanding of play so please correct me if I've
> > > misunderstood you). For me, this idea of play is much more applicable
> to
> > > the lives of adults and it opens up lots of encounters to a play
> > analysis.
> > > I assume that this is what you mean when you say that the kids talking
> > with
> > > police are "playing"; they are engaged in a type of relationship and
> > > interaction that is "otherwise" - it isn't part of the normal types of
> > > conversation that one expects to happen.
> > >
> > > This points up the fact that there are structured, expected relations
> > that
> > > we engage in as we go about our everyday lives. Lois, what you seem to
> me
> > > to be pointing to is that play involves the transformation of these
> > > expected relations, i.e. when "the otherwise" is realized in a moment
> of
> > > interaction.
> > >
> > > It seems that this is a rather unorthodox sense of play. I wonder if it
> > > comes out of the fact that you work primarily with adolescents and
> > adults,
> > > "grown-ups" as we emically refer to them. It seems likely to me that
> play
> > > is something very fundamentally different for grown-ups than it is for
> > > children. Most Vygotsky inspired play researchers are looking at play
> in
> > > toddlers and early childhood. So I am very excited by your work that
> > brings
> > > play into adulthood (and as Artin notes, there are others who do this
> > but I
> > > don't know how many theorize adult "play" as explicitly or as well as
> you
> > > do).
> > >
> > > It seems to me that somewhere in here is where David's problem lies
> (and
> > > yours, to the extent that you are willing to share this burden with
> him).
> > > He is pointing to the fact that "play" may be conceived in China as
> "lack
> > > of restraint", and that is why Chinese say that they haven't played
> since
> > > they were 2 year olds - they have primarily experienced restraint ever
> > > since then (regardles of how they might be engaging "the otherwise" in
> > > their everyday lives - even "teasing" could be a kind of engagement
> with
> > > "the otherwise"). And David interestingly points to the fact that play
> > has
> > > a class dimension - it is what the poor kids do in the streets. That
> > seems
> > > like a notion of play that needs to be played with. And it seems to me
> > that
> > > this is precisely what you are interested in doing even as you accept
> > their
> > > definition of play for the sake of making your argument in the first
> > place.
> > >
> > > I think we could push even further still and point out that life is
> play
> > in
> > > a very real(!) sense. The taken for granted social worlds that we
> inhabit
> > > and that we are trying to play with are, in the first place, play. And
> > > yet, we often don't realize that they are play (recall Marx's "men"
> make
> > > history but not of their own choosing). Additionally, once we call it
> > > "play" we assume that it is "unreal" (cf. "social constructionism" lit
> of
> > > the mid to late 20th century). Yet this play is a highly consequential
> > form
> > > of play because, well, there are "winners" and there are "losers", and
> > the
> > > consequence of "winning" or "losing" is dire (perhaps this is why the
> > movie
> > > Hunger Games strikes a chord with people today? b.c. they see the world
> > > today, mid-recession, as akin to a fight to the death).
> > >
> > > Anyway, hopefully there is a grain of sense in all of this play with
> play
> > > (in play).
> > >
> > > and please, let me know if I'm terribly off-base here...
> > >
> > > Playfully,
> > > greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Lois Holzman <
> > > lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Don't forget yourself, Artin!
> > >> Lois
> > >>
> > >> Lois Holzman
> > >> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > >> 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > >> Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > >> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > >> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > >> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > >> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > >> Social Media
> > >> Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > >> Blogs
> > >> Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > >> Websites
> > >> Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > >> All Stars Project
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Goncu, Artin <goncu@uic.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> First, this is a quick note to say that I enjoyed Lois' talk, and
> > second,
> > >>> I enjoyed reading the responses to Lois' talk very much.  I also
> wanted
> > >> to
> > >>> add that there are others on this list who have been addressing some
> of
> > >>> the important issues raised both in Lois' talk and in the responses
> to
> > >> it.
> > >>> For example, issues about play being a collective, dialectical, and
> > >>> dialogic activity improvised in human interaction are examined by
> Tony
> > >>> Perone, Carrie Lobman, Keith Sawyer, and others..
> > >>>
> > >>> All the best, ag
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, June 23, 2014 11:58 am, Lois Holzman wrote:
> > >>>> Thanks, Tom. (I tried.)
> > >>>> And I didn't realize I forgot the link.
> > >>>> All best,
> > >>>> Lois
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Lois Holzman
> > >>>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > >>>> 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > >>>> Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > >>>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > >>>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > >>>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > >>>> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > >>>> Social Media
> > >>>> Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > >>>> Blogs
> > >>>> Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > >>>> Websites
> > >>>> Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > >>>> All Stars Project
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tom Richardson
> > >>>> <tom.richardson3@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Thank you, Lois, for finding time for this thoughtful reply to the
> > >>>>> threads
> > >>>>> around your TED piece -a link to your 'What's developing is below:
> > >>>>> http://vimeo.com/98797556
> > >>>>> Tom
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 23 June 2014 16:01, Lois Holzman <
> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks to all who've watched the video and commented.
> > >>>>>> Over the weekend I completed two weeks of PLAYING WITH a "small
> > group"
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> psychologists/youth workers/educators from 5 countries who were in
> > NYC
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>> their final residency period with me and the Institute. I kept up
> > with
> > >>>>>> your
> > >>>>>> posts but wasn't able to respond until now.
> > >>>>>> I find the discussion fascinating in a few ways, which I will try
> to
> > >>>>>> describe through commenting on what's been said/written.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I greatly appreciated Tom's concern ("We need Play to evolve the
> > next
> > >>>>>> tranche of revolutionary strategy and
> > >>>>>>> tactics, but Play alone will never arrive at the necessity for
> > >>>>>>> revolutionary overthrow of capitalism") and further comment and
> > >>>>>> subsequent expansion on this ("While I did not wish to attack or
> > >> offend
> > >>>>>> deliberately, I feel that the
> > >>>>>> limitations of work within individual/small group relationships,
> no
> > >>>>>> matter
> > >>>>>> how creative, redemptive and transformative, cannot have that same
> > >>>>>> effect
> > >>>>>> upon the 500year-developed /developing reality which is modern
> > >>>>>> bourgeois
> > >>>>>> society. It is that sense of limitation which I attempted,
> > >>>>>>> straightforwardly to convey").
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tom, I in no way felt attacked or offended.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I found Shirley and Helen's and Carol's versions of what I was
> > doing
> > >>>>>>> in
> > >>>>>> the talk and what the activities I presented might be "about" very
> > >>>>>> helpful
> > >>>>>> and appreciated learning what they saw.  I was indeed trying to
> > >> present
> > >>>>>> something new to the audience, something that gave them the
> feeling
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> there was more "behind it" and that something was pretty
> unorthodox.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I suppose the key thing I can say in response is that I was
> > speaking
> > >>>>>> about play in a very particular way, as revolutionary. I was
> really
> > >>>>>> pleased
> > >>>>>> that the audience for the live presentation picked up on that and
> > was
> > >>>>>> excited by this new way of seeing. What I think revolutionary play
> > is
> > >>>>>> (in
> > >>>>>> my talk I repeated what I mean by that several times—taking what
> > there
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>> and making something new, doing what we do not know how to do,
> > >> relating
> > >>>>>> as
> > >>>>>> who we are/other than who we are at the same time) is a
> > >>>>>> cultural-historical
> > >>>>>> activity that creates development, and that all of us human beings
> > >> need
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> develop if we are to have a shot at overthrowing capitalism. (For
> > >>>>>> "theory"
> > >>>>>> the most concise expansion of this might be All Power to the
> > >>>>>> Developing.The
> > >>>>>> position put forth in that article has generated lively dialogue,
> as
> > >> it
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>> not the most popular among Marxists.)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As I read some of the comments on my talk, it seems to me that
> how
> > I
> > >>>>>> understand play as revolutionary was not taken into account fully.
> > By
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> I mean it seems like one's own understanding of play was
> substituted
> > >>>>>> unaware. Perhaps this has something to do with Hue seeing play as
> > >>>>>> "overdone" as well as David's commenting:
> > >>>>>>> "One of the problems of Lois's talk is that it doesn't give us a
> > very
> > >>>>>> clear
> > >>>>>> view of what play is not. But I would say that street kids talking
> > to
> > >>>>>> policemen about their fear of being gunned down in the street is a
> > >>>>>> pretty
> > >>>>>> good place to start. Lois herself recognizes in her talk that the
> > >>>>>> conversations are not part of
> > >>>>>> the play. But then we need to look at when and where the activity
> > >>>>>> stopped
> > >>>>>> being play, and above all why. Otherwise we rob "play" of all of
> its
> > >>>>>> content."
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sorry, David, if I was less than clear here. For me, the
> > conversation
> > >>>>>> was
> > >>>>>> part of the play. The activity never stopped being play, as I
> > >>>>>> understand
> > >>>>>> it. The cops and kids were playing, in my sense of revolutionary
> > play,
> > >>>>>> as
> > >>>>>> they were creating a conversation they had never had and perhaps
> > could
> > >>>>>> not
> > >>>>>> were they not playing/performing...they were doing what was beyond
> > >> them
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>> creating something new together. I imagine you and others may not
> > see
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>>>> that way, but that's what I see.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> David's comments also highlight for me an aspect of perhaps
> > different
> > >>>>>> ways
> > >>>>>> of approaching what it means to engage in the activity of
> > >>>>>> understanding. As
> > >>>>>> I read you, you need me to say what play is not and you also need
> me
> > >> to
> > >>>>>> pinpoint the beginnings and endings of something identified as
> play.
> > >>>>>> It's
> > >>>>>> that "is" that for me is the problematic term—it reads to me as
> > >>>>>> pictorial
> > >>>>>> and essentializing in reference to meaning. Apologies if I have
> > >>>>>> misunderstood you. And while I don't mind playing being
> > simultaneously
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> "leading activity" and the constant activity, I'm inspired by
> > >> Vygotsky,
> > >>>>>> not
> > >>>>>> overdetermined by him.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm very sensitive to how we speak/write to each other, however,
> > >>>>>> especially when difference of opinion gets in the way or replaces
> > >>>>>> curiosity
> > >>>>>> to learn more about how come someone thinks/believes what they
> > >>>>>> apparently
> > >>>>>> do. And so I wish that we would be asking more questions of each
> > >>>>>> other...
> > >>>>>> and perhaps saying things in less absolutist and knowing terms.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> David (again) wrote:
> > >>>>>> PS: Obviously, the teacher who claimed that their generation in
> > China
> > >>>>>> (my
> > >>>>>> wife's generation) did not play after the age of two was just
> > playing
> > >>>>>> around with poor Lois. But that's no reason to play along...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I "obviously" (and here it makes sense to use that word) cannot
> know
> > >>>>>> your
> > >>>>>> intention in writing what and how you wrote the above, as we
> cannot
> > >>>>>> know
> > >>>>>> each other's intentions. So I'll jump off from what you say and
> > maybe
> > >>>>>> help
> > >>>>>> you see what I was trying to convey—75 teachers (not 1) told us in
> > >>>>>> different ways/phrases that they hadn't played since they were
> very
> > >>>>>> little
> > >>>>>> children. They weren't making any claims, neither for themselves
> as
> > >>>>>> individuals and certainly not for their generation. They were
> > talking
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>> us and sharing their experiences. I assume your wife has done the
> > same
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>> you, and that would be interesting to learn about.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm off tonight to work in Frankfurt for the week, but if there is
> > >>>>>> further
> > >>>>>> conversation I will respond quickly.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If any of you are interested in pursuing the topic of play and
> > >>>>>> performance
> > >>>>>> in our current context of capitalism's crisis, from my community's
> > >>>>>> perspective, you can view an event, What Developing in a World in
> > >>>>>> Crisis
> > >>>>>> which begins with 9 people from 8 countries speaking to how they
> see
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> development challenges in their countries, followed by a
> > conversation
> > >>>>>> between me and a colleague, and then the audience.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Again, thanks for including me, TED, play in your discussions,
> > >>>>>> Lois
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Lois Holzman
> > >>>>>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > >>>>>> 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > >>>>>> Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > >>>>>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > >>>>>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > >>>>>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > >>>>>> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > >>>>>> Social Media
> > >>>>>> Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > >>>>>> Blogs
> > >>>>>> Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > >>>>>> Websites
> > >>>>>> Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > >>>>>> All Stars Project
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:31 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I wonder what Lois thinks about all of this discussion that Peter
> > >>>>>> started?
> > >>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 20, 2014, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I agree completely with Tom's remarks. I remember that almost
> every
> > >>>>>> summer
> > >>>>>>> in Chicago between five and ten black children in the city would
> be
> > >>>>>>> murdered by police for playing with toy guns. Consider this:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> To link this to the previous thread--I don't think that the
> article
> > >>>>>>> "What
> > >>>>>>> Theory is Not" has a workable definition of theory, and for that
> > >>>>>>> reason I
> > >>>>>>> found it little more than a list of complaints. But part of the
> > >>>>>> dialectical
> > >>>>>>> method is defining what things are by looking at what things are
> > >>>>>>> not: transgressing that boundary is precisely what we mean when
> we
> > >> say
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> something is in the process of becoming what it is not.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> One of the problems of Lois's talk is that it doesn't give us a
> > very
> > >>>>>> clear
> > >>>>>>> view of what play is not. But I would say that street kids
> talking
> > to
> > >>>>>>> policemen about their fear of being gunned down in the street is
> a
> > >>>>>>> pretty
> > >>>>>>> good place to start.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Lois herself recognizes in her talk that the conversations are
> not
> > >>>>>>> part
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> the play. But then we need to look at when and where the activity
> > >>>>>>> stopped
> > >>>>>>> being play, and above all why. Otherwise we rob "play" of all of
> > its
> > >>>>>>> content.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think the same thing is true when we say that children play
> > >>>>>>> constantly,
> > >>>>>>> from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed (and
> > >>>>>>> Vygotsky,
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> course, says the opposite--play is a "leading" activity but for
> > that
> > >>>>>>> very
> > >>>>>>> reason we cannot say it is the main activity).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> David Kellogg
> > >>>>>>> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> PS: Obviously, the teacher who claimed that their generation in
> > China
> > >>>>>>> (my
> > >>>>>>> wife's generation) did not play after the age of two was just
> > playing
> > >>>>>>> around with poor Lois. But that's no reason to play along...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> dk
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 20 June 2014 06:03, Tom Richardson <
> > >> tom.richardson3@googlemail.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> A fascinating and moving 14+minutes of Lois ....only how I wish
> > that
> > >>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>> did
> > >>>>>>>> not subscribe to a class analysis which means that the last
> > example
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> 'kids of colour' and the NYPD is called into deep question -
> will
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> lethal divides of capitalism's "special bodies of armed men"
> from
> > >>>>>>>> working-class citizens, (and of course it extends to
> imperialism's
> > >>>>>>>> destruction of whole countries), be 'overcome' by Play. Lois'
> > >>>>>> commitment
> > >>>>>>>> and passionate intelligence almost lets me believe it might,
> but I
> > >>>>>>>> know
> > >>>>>>>> that I'm fooling myself.
> > >>>>>>>> We need Play to evolve the next tranche of revolutionary
> strategy
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>>> tactics, but Play alone will never arrive at the necessity for
> > >>>>>>>> revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, only, from Lois'
> examples,
> > >>>>>>>> ultimately futile attempts at transcending class conflict,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Tom Richardson
> > >>>>>>>> Middlesbrough
> > >>>>>>>> UK
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 19 June 2014 20:57, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Well Lois
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> That was splendid, awesome! All you serious XMCAers please
> watch.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Carol
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On 19 June 2014 13:48, Lois Holzman <
> > >> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Here's the link, Carol.
> > >>>>>>>>>> http://tedxnavesink.com/project/lois-holzman/
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Lois Holzman
> > >>>>>>>>>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term
> > Psychotherapy
> > >>>>>>>>>> 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > >>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > >>>>>>>>>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > >>>>>>>>>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > >>>>>>>>>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > >>>>>>>>>> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > >>>>>>>>>> Social Media
> > >>>>>>>>>> Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > >>>>>>>>>> Blogs
> > >>>>>>>>>> Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > >>>>>>>>>> Websites
> > >>>>>>>>>> Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > >>>>>>>>>> All Stars Project
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Carol Macdonald <
> > >>>>>> carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Louis
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Please could you send the link again?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Carol
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 19 June 2014 01:03, Lois Holzman <
> > >>>>>> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter kindly posted a link to a talk I gave last month at a
> > TEDx
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> event--TEDxNavesink Play.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from the prep being among the hardest things I've ever
> > >>>>>> done
> > >>>>>>>>>> (staying
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> within their rules and structure, not being academic but
> > saying
> > >>>>>>>>>> something
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> new for people to think about, and more), it was a delight
> to
> > be
> > >>>>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>> folks
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> who appreciate and value play--many of whom are affording
> > >>>>>> people in
> > >>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> communities with the opportunity to play in all kinds of
> ways.
> > >>>>>> It
> > >>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> really growthful for me and my team. I was really pleased to
> > >>>>>>>> reconnect
> > >>>>>>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Gray after many years and to meet other good people.
> The
> > >>>>>>>> one-day
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> event was organized are 4 P's--possibility, pleasure,
> progress
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> paradox.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I invite you all to include these talks within your
> > conversation
> > >>>>>>>>>> here--even
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> though they're not theoretical. Maybe it's a new kind of
> play
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> many.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Lois
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Lois Holzman
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term
> > >>>>>> Psychotherapy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Social Media
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blogs
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community
> News
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Websites
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> All Stars Project
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > >>>>>>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
> > >>>>>>>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
> > >>>>>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Artin Goncu, Ph.D
> > >>> Co-editor, Mind, Culture, and Activity:An International Journal
> > >>> Professor Emeritus,
> > >>> University of Illinois at Chicago
> > >>> College of Education M/C 147
> > >>> 1040 W. Harrison St.
> > >>> Chicago, IL 60607
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> > > Assistant Professor
> > > Department of Anthropology
> > > 883 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> > > Brigham Young University
> > > Provo, UT 84602
> > > http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
> >
> >
>



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