[Xmca-l] Re: The Highlander Center in Tennessee
Greg Thompson
greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
Mon Aug 25 08:17:22 PDT 2014
Peg and Andy,
RE: chat and crises, Horton also has a moment where he notes the importance
of conflict (this is when Moyers asks him about violence). He says that
conflict is always there and in a sense it is the starting point.
Andy, in his conversation with Freire, there is an interesting discussion
about "experts". Horton is not as cynical about expert knowledge as Freire.
Horton seems to see it more as a tool to be used by the local community in
their collective decision making. He describes bringing a very concerned
and well intentioned lawyer into Highlander to explain to the parents what
their options are. After the lawyer explained their options he started to
tell them what he thought they should do. At that point, Horton describes
how he had to forcibly take the guy by the arm and haul him out of the room
so that this expert didn't make the decisions for those who were most
familiar with the situation. Horton said as he was pulling the guy out of
the room, the guy kept right on talking to the very last.
Good intentions...
Here is a link to the pdf of the Freire-Horton book We Make the Road by
Walking (what a great title!):
http://codkashacabka.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/we-make-the-road-by-walking-myles-and-paolo-freie-book.pdf
Made some great Sunday reading.
-greg
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> he, he! yes. His approach is quite consonant with CHAT principles! ... but
> not many school teachers have the pupils pointing a gun at their head
> demanding the teacher stick to the 3Rs, or something. :)
>
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>
>
> Peg Griffin wrote:
>
>> In the precis you gave of the interview, Andy, I see clearly that it fits
>> into Luria's dual stimulation method and more generally into development in
>> crises/critical moments.
>> PG
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:33 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much for this, Greg,
>> Listening to the guy (it took me all day to get through this 2 hour
>> video!) it comes across much clearer than I could get it from various
>> texts.
>> Around the 48 min mark he tells how this tough union group came up to
>> Highlander to work through a problem they had, and they came to Horton
>> and said they wanted him to make the decision for them because they
>> couldn't resolve it. Horton refused. So they put a gun to his head to
>> make their point. Still he refused.
>> I was looking for where/how he *taught* collective decision-making, but
>> it is clear now, by just insisting that people "take charge of their own
>> lives" and demanding that while at the Center they run the whole place,
>> together, and refusing ever to make a decision or tell them what ought
>> to be done, they learnt how to make collective decisions, in their own
>> way.
>> In the autumn of 1959, when the students who were later to create SNCC
>> came to Highlander (as opposed to the unionists CIO had been sending),
>> this had the particularly spectacular outcomes which I am interested in.
>> Sorry to be a little cryptic, but it's a work in progress.
>> Thank you Robert and Peg and Greg for your assistance.
>>
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/ <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Thompson wrote:
>> > and I started watching this nice special titled "Myles Horton: Radical
>> > Hillbilly":
>> > http://vimeo.com/30650519
>> >
>> > It is a Bill Moyers journal and the nice part about it is most of it
>> > is Moyers interviewing Horton. From what little I know, it seems to
>> > give a very good sense for the man.
>> >
>> > -greg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Goncu, Artin <goncu@uic.edu <mailto:
>> goncu@uic.edu>
>> > <mailto:goncu@uic.edu <mailto:goncu@uic.edu>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, this information is much appreciated. ag
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, August 24, 2014 7:29 pm, Andy Blunden wrote:
>> > > Thanks Greg. That does work better. :)
>> > > Very tantalizing for me. I have no doubt that everything I need
>> > is in
>> > > those boxes. :)
>> > > Andy
>> > >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------
>> > > *Andy Blunden*
>> > > http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/ <http://home.pacific.net.au/%
>> 7Eandy/>
>> > <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Greg Thompson wrote:
>> > >> I think a "d" was missing at the beginning of the link you sent
>> > Robert.
>> > >>
>> > >> Here is full link:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search <
>> http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search>
>> > <http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search <
>> http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search>>
>> > >>
>> > <http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search <
>> http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search>
>> > <http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search <
>> http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search>>>
>> > >>
>> > >> Fantastic resource!
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> greg
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Robert Lake
>> > >> <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu <mailto:boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>> > <mailto:boblake@georgiasouthern.edu <mailto:boblake@
>> georgiasouthern.edu>>
>> > <mailto:boblake@georgiasouthern.edu <mailto:boblake@
>> georgiasouthern.edu>
>> > <mailto:boblake@georgiasouthern.edu <mailto:boblake@
>> georgiasouthern.edu>>>>
>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Andy and Everyone,
>> > >> Here is the link to the digital archives for Highlander at the
>> > >> University
>> > >> of Wisconsin.
>> > >>
>> > >> > igicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=
>> wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+Finding+Aid&
>> q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search
>> > <http://igicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search <
>> http://igicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search>>
>> > >> > <http://igicoll.library.wisc.
>> edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&
>> type=simple&rgn=Entire+Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+
>> papers&location=all&Submit=Search <http://igicoll.library.wisc.
>> edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&
>> type=simple&rgn=Entire+Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+
>> papers&location=all&Submit=Search>
>>
>> > <http://igicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search <
>> http://igicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?
>> c=wiarchives&cc=wiarchives&type=simple&rgn=Entire+
>> Finding+Aid&q1=myles+horton+papers&location=all&Submit=Search>>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Andy Blunden
>> > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> > >> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Robert,
>> > >> > I have a memoir written by Angeline Butler about her time at
>> > >> Highlander in
>> > >> > 1959 before joining SNCC and she reports being taught
>> > consensus
>> > >> > decision-making. I know Horton placed a lot of emphasis on
>> > >> forcing students
>> > >> > to make their own decisions, and I have a memoir from an
>> > African
>> > >> student at
>> > >> > the International Peoples College at Helsingor on which
>> > Horton
>> > >> based
>> > >> > Highlander, which tells of a specific exercise in consensus
>> > >> decision
>> > >> > making. I think it may have come under the heading of
>> > "conflict
>> > >> > resolution". What I don't have is any independent
>> > corroboration
>> > >> of Angeline
>> > >> > Butler's testimony and nor do Horton's notes about what
>> > he learnt
>> > >> at
>> > >> > Helsingor mention conflict resolution or any kind of
>> > >> decision-making.
>> > >> > Mainly about bonding.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Any thoughts?
>> > >> > Andy
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------
>> > >> > *Andy Blunden*
>> > >> > http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/ <
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > >> <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Robert Lake wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Hi Andy,
>> > >> >> Yes I do. Start with this .
>> > >> >> http://highlandercenter.org/about-us/history/
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> And this biography of Myles Horton
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > http://www.amazon.com/The-Long-Haul-An-Autobiography/dp/0807737003
>> > >> >> and the biography of Septima Clark.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Freedoms-Teacher-Life-Septima-
>> > >> >> Clark/dp/0807872229/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=
>> > >> >> 1408889271&sr=1-2&keywords=septima+clark
>> > <http://www.amazon.com/
>> > >> >> Freedoms-Teacher-Life-Septima-Clark/dp/0807872229/ref=sr_1_
>> > >> >>
>> > 2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1408889271&sr=1-2&keywords=septima+clark>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I have written a piece on her as well and will send it this
>> > >> afternoon.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I think the book We Make the Road by Walking: A dialogue
>> > >> between Myles
>> > >> >> Horton and Paulo Freire
>> > >> >> is one of the best books on both these leaders.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> More Later,
>> > >> >> Robert Lake
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I will send more this afternoon.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Andy Blunden
>> > >> <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> <mailto:
>>
>>
>> > >> >> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Does anyone on this list know about the Highlander
>> > Center,
>> > >> what
>> > >> >> used to be called the Highlander Folk School?
>> > >> >> The people there are very helpful, but they're also
>> > rushed
>> > >> off
>> > >> >> their feet (like everyone, I guess) and if there
>> > were any
>> > >> other
>> > >> >> sources of information about it, that would be
>> > helpful. I'm
>> > >> >> particularly interested if anyone is familiar with what
>> > >> they were
>> > >> >> doing in the 1950s and 60s.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Andy
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >> >> ------------
>> > >> >> *Andy Blunden*
>> > >> >> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/ <
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > >> <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > >> >> <http://home.pacific.net.au/%7Eandy/>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> >> *Robert Lake Ed.D.
>> > >> >> *Associate Professor
>> > >> >> Social Foundations of Education
>> > >> >> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
>> > >> >> Georgia Southern University
>> > >> >> Secretary/Treasurer-AERA- Paulo Freire Special Interest
>> > Group
>> > >> >> P. O. Box 8144
>> > >> >> Phone: (912) 478-0355 <tel:%28912%29%20478-0355>
>> > <tel:%28912%29%20478-0355>
>> > >> >> Fax: (912) 478-5382 <tel:%28912%29%20478-5382>
>> > <tel:%28912%29%20478-5382>
>> > >> >> Statesboro, GA 30460
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> *Robert Lake Ed.D.*Associate Professor
>> > >> Social Foundations of Education
>> > >> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
>> > >> Georgia Southern University
>> > >> Secretary/Treasurer-AERA- Paulo Freire Special Interest Group
>> > >> P. O. Box 8144
>> > >> Phone: (912) 478-0355 <tel:%28912%29%20478-0355>
>> > <tel:%28912%29%20478-0355>
>> > >> Fax: (912) 478-5382 <tel:%28912%29%20478-5382>
>> > >> Statesboro, GA 30460
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> > >> Assistant Professor
>> > >> Department of Anthropology
>> > >> 882 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> > >> Brigham Young University
>> > >> Provo, UT 84602
>> > >> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Artin Goncu, Ph.D
>> > Co-editor, Mind, Culture, and Activity:An International Journal
>> > Professor Emeritus,
>> > University of Illinois at Chicago
>> > College of Education M/C 147
>> > 1040 W. Harrison St.
>> > Chicago, IL 60607
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> > Assistant Professor
>> > Department of Anthropology
>> > 882 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> > Brigham Young University
>> > Provo, UT 84602
>> > http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
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