[Xmca-l] Re: Psychology of Language

[Huw Lloyd]

On 24 April 2014 22:57, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co> wrote:

> But the efforts to teach language to non-humans are interesting, no? And
> they generally employ signs rather than words. I think there's general
> awareness that language need not be verbal.
>
>
Yes, but what about the history of experience evoked by the tongue or
finger wagging?

What will you have: language as a carrier and, oh, there's this other thing
called culture?

For nature of language, you could study toddlers.  That's enough to
indicate that "language as signing" is a phoney division.

Best,
Huw



> Martin
>
> On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Its not entirely clear from the contents, but it looks like the author is
> > reinforcing notions of language as wordiness ("Attempts to teach language
> > to non-humans").  I would start by debunking that.
> >
> > Best,
> > Huw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24 April 2014 22:16, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Huw,
> >>
> >> If you click on the link I included in an earlier message you can see
> the
> >> contents of this typical undergraduate text. Here it is again:
> >>
> >> <
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Psychology-Language-Paul-Whitney/dp/0395757509>
> >>
> >> And here are the sections and chapter titles. Let me say that I am by no
> >> means a great fan of these themes, but there are some limits to the
> >> innovations that one can introduce at the undergraduate level, sadly. A
> >> text that adopted a sociocultural perspective on psychology and language
> >> would provide legitimacy to a course that was a bit less traditional, if
> >> you know what I mean!
> >>
> >> Language and its functions
> >>        The nature of language
> >>        What language users must know
> >>        Language in relation to other cognitive processes
> >>        Theories of the language-thought relationship
> >> Models of language processing
> >>        The recognition of spoken words
> >>        Visual word recognition
> >>        Sentence processing
> >>        Understanding and remembering discourse
> >>        Language production and conversation
> >> Language and the brain
> >>        Language acquisition: Biological foundations
> >>        Language acquisition in special circumstances
> >>        Language and the localization of function
> >> Conclusions
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am puzzled and curious about what constitutes an undergraduate text
> >> for a
> >>> rich, involving and open-ended subject.
> >>>
> >>> Are you starting from the subject first, and then working out how to
> >>> deliver it in bite size examinable chunks (if these constraints apply),
> >> and
> >>> how are you (considering) dealing with the open-endedness of the
> >> topics...?
> >>>
> >>> Is the major issue about accessibility of content?  What about
> compliance
> >>> with other concepts and procedures in the course...?
> >>>
> >>> How about taking one interesting text and critiquing it (in a
> structured
> >>> way)?  E.g. how blind-deaf people learn to language (Meshcheryakov), or
> >>> changes in language due to culture (Luria), or more about language
> itself
> >>> and its cultural aspects.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps the text, itself, would benefit from being quite small so
> >> students
> >>> can go and look up the references.  1st (or 2nd) hand  material is a
> good
> >>> choice!
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps...
> >>> Huw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 24 April 2014 15:46, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Laure,
> >>>>
> >>>> In general I'm also in favor of dispersed readings. In addition, in my
> >>>> course in child development I've been writing the textbook that I
> need!
> >> It
> >>>> is (currently) titled "A Cultural Psychology of Children’s
> Development."
> >>>> But this is a new course that I need to get up and running quickly,
> so I
> >>>> think I need to start with an existing text. If one exists!
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Laure Kloetzer <laure.kloetzer@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:laure.kloetzer@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Martin,
> >>>>
> >>>> We are teaching a similar course here at CNAM, Paris. But in French...
> >> and
> >>>> no textbook, we suggest and comment dispersed readings. Would you send
> >> me
> >>>> your syllabus ? I would be very happy to compare (our plan is in
> >> French, if
> >>>> you read French, I'll be happy to share).
> >>>> Also interested to see if you get some answers regarding the text
> book.
> >>>> If not: why wouldn't we edit this textbook that we need ?
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> LK
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2014-04-24 15:35 GMT+02:00 Martin John Packer <
> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
> >>>> <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>:
> >>>> Hi Bella,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, but what I'm looking for is a text on the role of language in
> >>>> psychology. I'm teaching a course that when last taught used this
> text,
> >>>> which was published in 1998. I'd like something more contemporary, and
> >> more
> >>>> aligned with a sociocultural perspective:
> >>>>
> >>>> <
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Psychology-Language-Paul-Whitney/dp/0395757509>
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 23, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Bella Kotik-Friedgut <
> >> bella.kotik@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:bella.kotik@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Martin, if you mean something like the following
> >>>>> Williams, M. & Burden, R. (1997). *Psychology for Language
> >>>>> Teachers,*Cambridge Language Library.
> >>>>> I am teaching a course: Psychological aspects of new language
> learning
> >>>> and
> >>>>> teaching.
> >>>>> So if you need something more specific please ask.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Martin John Packer <
> >>>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co<mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Can anyone recommend a good undergraduate textbook on Psychology
> >> and/of
> >>>>>> Language?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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